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                    René Dougoud,
                08-08-2011 17:17
    
    J'ai pour référence, en herbier, une récolte de notre Collègue Collot faite en 2000, de "Belonidium" sericeum (Alb. & Schwein.) Larson, pour laquelle j'ai noté comme référence France, forêt de Sugny.
Y a-t-il parmi vous une personne qui serait en mesure de me communiquer des infos plus précises, soit département, ville ou village proche.
Merci de votre peine
René
                                    Hans-Otto Baral,
                                08-08-2011 17:28            
             
                Re : Demande
                Cher René
the author of that name is Lorton, not Larson, and it is currently cited as
Chlorosplenium sericeum (A & S) Boud.
For a longer time I have used that name for a very small discomycete, related to Hyphodiscus, with very small spores. That was because an authentic specimen under that name by Schweinitz belonged to that species. But the colour plate in Alb. & Schwein. suggests that the original concept concerned the larger discomycete with very long spores, and which stains the wood green (= Erinella aeruginosa). I assume you know which of the two you have.
Surely Robert collected in Sugny, Ardennes, which is about 45 km ENE of Reims.
Zotto
                
                
                
                
                
                            the author of that name is Lorton, not Larson, and it is currently cited as
Chlorosplenium sericeum (A & S) Boud.
For a longer time I have used that name for a very small discomycete, related to Hyphodiscus, with very small spores. That was because an authentic specimen under that name by Schweinitz belonged to that species. But the colour plate in Alb. & Schwein. suggests that the original concept concerned the larger discomycete with very long spores, and which stains the wood green (= Erinella aeruginosa). I assume you know which of the two you have.
Surely Robert collected in Sugny, Ardennes, which is about 45 km ENE of Reims.
Zotto
                                    René Dougoud,
                                08-08-2011 18:38            
            Re : Demande
                Bien Cher,
Merci pour tes réponses. J'espère que tu vas bien !
Le genre Chlorosplenium a été traité pas Dixon in Mycotaxon 1(2) 1974 et Peziza sericea Alb. et Schwein., espèce type, a été rejeté. Les espèces de Chloroplenium sont des Dermateaceae.
Les genres Erinella Quél, Erinella Sacc. Dasyscyphus Nees ex Gray et Belonidium Mont. & Durieu sont synonymes reconus être des synonymes au genre Lachnum Retzius. Le genre Lachnum ne convient pas non plus pour P. sericea, les paraphyses ne sont pas pointues, mais franchement obtuses et le mycélium colore le substrat, ce qui est particulier. Le genre Otwaya Bearton a le mycélium qui colore le bois en vert, mais la texture de l'exc. ectal est t. intricata, il y deux types de paraphyses, les poils sont lisses et les ascopores ornementées !!
Je considère ce champignons orphelin de nom !!
Je demeure ouvert à une discussion
Reçois mes bons messages
René
                
                
                
                
                
                            Merci pour tes réponses. J'espère que tu vas bien !
Le genre Chlorosplenium a été traité pas Dixon in Mycotaxon 1(2) 1974 et Peziza sericea Alb. et Schwein., espèce type, a été rejeté. Les espèces de Chloroplenium sont des Dermateaceae.
Les genres Erinella Quél, Erinella Sacc. Dasyscyphus Nees ex Gray et Belonidium Mont. & Durieu sont synonymes reconus être des synonymes au genre Lachnum Retzius. Le genre Lachnum ne convient pas non plus pour P. sericea, les paraphyses ne sont pas pointues, mais franchement obtuses et le mycélium colore le substrat, ce qui est particulier. Le genre Otwaya Bearton a le mycélium qui colore le bois en vert, mais la texture de l'exc. ectal est t. intricata, il y deux types de paraphyses, les poils sont lisses et les ascopores ornementées !!
Je considère ce champignons orphelin de nom !!
Je demeure ouvert à une discussion
Reçois mes bons messages
René
                                    Hans-Otto Baral,
                                08-08-2011 19:03            
             
                Re : Demande
                Yes, René, you hit the point, as once Ain Raitviir said to me, who also investigated this marvellous fungus.
I actually ordered the type of Otwaya, but it was lost during travel, as far as I remember! The spores are very different, I agree, but for me such sporological features not necessarily result in a separate genus. The dimorphism in paraphyses sounds not very striking to me, only a variation in width. Yes for the excipulum, though also here we have sometimes such variation within a genus.
I got the original sketch and diagnosis from MELU, but this doesn't say much more than the protologue.
Stip took a culture a year ago, and I still hope that we will get a sequence some time.
Actually this is one of my papers that were started years ago but never finsihed.
Did you see the fungus fresh and make any drawings?
Zotto
                
                
                
                
                
                            I actually ordered the type of Otwaya, but it was lost during travel, as far as I remember! The spores are very different, I agree, but for me such sporological features not necessarily result in a separate genus. The dimorphism in paraphyses sounds not very striking to me, only a variation in width. Yes for the excipulum, though also here we have sometimes such variation within a genus.
I got the original sketch and diagnosis from MELU, but this doesn't say much more than the protologue.
Stip took a culture a year ago, and I still hope that we will get a sequence some time.
Actually this is one of my papers that were started years ago but never finsihed.
Did you see the fungus fresh and make any drawings?
Zotto
                                    René Dougoud,
                                08-08-2011 22:42            
            Re : Demande
                Bien Cher,
J'ai travaillé cette espèce et je pense proposer un nouveau genre.
Je t'envoie le travail en privé, y compris avec photos et dessins.
René
                
                
                
                
                
                            J'ai travaillé cette espèce et je pense proposer un nouveau genre.
Je t'envoie le travail en privé, y compris avec photos et dessins.
René
