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Hyaloscyphaceae sur cône de pin sylvestre (Pinus sylvestris)
Bernard CLESSE,
16-04-2024 22:53
Bonsoir à toutes et tous,Pourriez-vous m'aider à identifier cette Hyaloscyphaceae sur cône de pin sylvestre ?
Grand merci d'avance !
Bernard
Stip Helleman,
16-04-2024 23:10
Re : Hyaloscyphaceae sur cône de pin sylvestre (Pinus sylvestris)
Bonsoir Bernard,
Great! it looks very much related to Michels "Hyalopeziza" sambuci, perhaps another species, this collection will make it a real multispecies genus :-)
Stip
see:
Hans-Otto Baral,
17-04-2024 07:51
Re : Hyaloscyphaceae sur cône de pin sylvestre (Pinus sylvestris)
Woww, this is "aff. Hyphdiscus ayelii", a Cordieritidaceae which shows to me the transition between the "aff. Hyphdiscus viridulus" group and Macroskyttea/Diplolaeviopsis "sambuci". Perhaps all should be placed in one genus - who knows.
I would be pleased to add the collection data. The species was first detected by the late Antoine Ayel in 1988 (HB 4052) and 1990 (HB 4050).
I compared Hyalopeziza trichodea on pine needles but that has substipitate apos and long hairs, and is probably a Hyaloscyphaceae s.l.
A very similar thing occurs on angiosperm wood and was documented by Enrique and Andgelo.
Would be great if this specimen could go for sequencing.
Bernard CLESSE,
17-04-2024 08:21
Re : Hyaloscyphaceae sur cône de pin sylvestre (Pinus sylvestris)
Many thanks for your messages, Stip and Zotto!
Zotto, I know very little about Hyphodiscus but the hairs I observed are very different from the hairs of Hyphodiscus, I think, is this normal? Do you have a description of Hyphodiscus ayelii?
I will send you the data on the collection privately.
I will send the samples for sequencing.
Best regards for you both,
Bernard
Zotto, I know very little about Hyphodiscus but the hairs I observed are very different from the hairs of Hyphodiscus, I think, is this normal? Do you have a description of Hyphodiscus ayelii?
I will send you the data on the collection privately.
I will send the samples for sequencing.
Best regards for you both,
Bernard
Michel Hairaud,
17-04-2024 09:46
Re : Hyaloscyphaceae sur cône de pin sylvestre (Pinus sylvestris)
Salut Bernard,
Regarde dans ce dossier de Zotto
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1wiW-r9nhlbcKIYzOGl8JQUnMJxCzpDDV
et tu as aussi un autre dossier avec la doc d'ENrique :
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B5SeyOEkxxZhcS1IOE00b1ZzNTQ?resourcekey=0-9eb1pfYME4hjDR9Q4PkpAQ
Amitiés,
Michel
Regarde dans ce dossier de Zotto
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1wiW-r9nhlbcKIYzOGl8JQUnMJxCzpDDV
et tu as aussi un autre dossier avec la doc d'ENrique :
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B5SeyOEkxxZhcS1IOE00b1ZzNTQ?resourcekey=0-9eb1pfYME4hjDR9Q4PkpAQ
Amitiés,
Michel
Bernard CLESSE,
17-04-2024 09:54
Re : Hyaloscyphaceae sur cône de pin sylvestre (Pinus sylvestris)
Grand merci pour ton message, Michel !
N'y connaissant rien dans tout ce petit monde, peux-tu me dire si Hyphodiscus viridulus et Hyphodiscus ayelii constituent la même espèce ?
Amitiés,
Bernard
N'y connaissant rien dans tout ce petit monde, peux-tu me dire si Hyphodiscus viridulus et Hyphodiscus ayelii constituent la même espèce ?
Amitiés,
Bernard
Hans-Otto Baral,
17-04-2024 10:32
Re : Hyaloscyphaceae sur cône de pin sylvestre (Pinus sylvestris)
H. viridulus does not exist as a binomial, it is this which could be related:
Trichopeziza viridula Grelet, Revue Mycol., Paris 18(1): 35 (1953)
This is a very complex group to which certainly "Hyphodiscus" stereicola belongs.
These are small Cordieritidaceae, whereas Hyphodiscus is a Hyphodiscaceae related to Hyaloscyphaceae in the narrow sense (earlier both were the same family).
Bernard CLESSE,
17-04-2024 10:40
Re : Hyaloscyphaceae sur cône de pin sylvestre (Pinus sylvestris)
Great thanks, Zotto !
Bernard
Bernard