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Aleuria??
Miguel Ángel Ribes,
29-07-2013 22:56
Good nightThis small (< 1 cm) ¿Aleuria? is from Hayedo de la Tejera Negra (Fagus), 13-VII-2013, not burned place.
Spores with a big reticula, bigutulated: (12.7) 13.5 - 14.7 (15.7) x (6.8) 7.4 - 8.1 (8.7) µm; Q = (1.7) 1.73 - 1.9 (2.0) ; N = 55; Me = 14.1 x 7.7 µm; Qe = 1.8, without ornamentation, in water, 1000x, live. Ornamentation at the ends: (1.4) 1.7 - 2.6 (3.1) µm; Me = 2.2 µm. Ornamentation at sides: (1.0) 1.1 - 1.67 (1.7) µm; Me = 44.2 x 1.4 µm.
It doesn't fits with any Aleuria in my biblio.
Thank you.
Miguel Ángel Ribes,
29-07-2013 23:00
Re : Aleuria??
Marginal hairs hyaline, about 100 µm long. Similar base hairs, but thinner.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Beñat Jeannerot,
30-07-2013 05:32
Re : Aleuria??
Adio Miguel,
How are you ?
And what's the problem with Aleuria aurantia ?
Amically,
Beñat
How are you ?
And what's the problem with Aleuria aurantia ?
Amically,
Beñat
Miguel Ángel Ribes,
30-07-2013 08:05
Re : Aleuria??
Hi Beñat
I'm fine, thnaks, and you?
Aurantia? The problem is the macro shape: small, flat, not cupulate, very different from the one I know ... Perhaps you are right, micro fits ok.
Amically.
I'm fine, thnaks, and you?
Aurantia? The problem is the macro shape: small, flat, not cupulate, very different from the one I know ... Perhaps you are right, micro fits ok.
Amically.
Miguel Ángel Ribes,
30-07-2013 08:39
Re : Aleuria??
So, this another, is the same?
From Garajonay National Park, La Gomera (Canry Islands), laurisilva forest, very wet place, up to 8 cm the big one, deeply cupulate, with stem.
Spores (12.8) 13.4 - 14.9 (17.7) x (6.9) 7.5 - 8.5 (10.1) µm; Q = (1.6) 1.7 - 1.9 (2.0) ; N = 51; Me = 14.2 x 8.0 µm ; Qe = 1.8.
Thank you.
From Garajonay National Park, La Gomera (Canry Islands), laurisilva forest, very wet place, up to 8 cm the big one, deeply cupulate, with stem.
Spores (12.8) 13.4 - 14.9 (17.7) x (6.9) 7.5 - 8.5 (10.1) µm; Q = (1.6) 1.7 - 1.9 (2.0) ; N = 51; Me = 14.2 x 8.0 µm ; Qe = 1.8.
Thank you.
Miguel Ángel Ribes,
30-07-2013 08:43
Re : Aleuria??
Margin and spores.
Beñat Jeannerot,
30-07-2013 09:29
Re : Aleuria??
Re Miguel,
Yes, I'm fine too.
About Aleuria, I'm not a specialist but, last year, near my house, I have found an asco like your first. It was very little and I thought that was probably an Octospora or closed genus. I was surprised because it was Aleuria aurantia. In fact, there was very little but grew during two or three weeks to become larger and cupulate, like Aleuria aurantia macroscopic aspect known...
So, it's probably the explanation here, but I repeat, I'm not a specialist...
And the second, perhaps another person could help here but it arrived some pezizales specimens develop a stem to grow above the substrate...
In fact, the species like this with a stem are generally Sowerbyella but spores don't correspond here.
I don't know here if my explanation fits well...
Amically,
Beñat
Yes, I'm fine too.
About Aleuria, I'm not a specialist but, last year, near my house, I have found an asco like your first. It was very little and I thought that was probably an Octospora or closed genus. I was surprised because it was Aleuria aurantia. In fact, there was very little but grew during two or three weeks to become larger and cupulate, like Aleuria aurantia macroscopic aspect known...
So, it's probably the explanation here, but I repeat, I'm not a specialist...
And the second, perhaps another person could help here but it arrived some pezizales specimens develop a stem to grow above the substrate...
In fact, the species like this with a stem are generally Sowerbyella but spores don't correspond here.
I don't know here if my explanation fits well...
Amically,
Beñat
Miguel Ángel Ribes,
30-07-2013 10:20
Re : Aleuria??
About the first one, we thought about Melastiza, Octospora, Lamprospora...
About the second, big and with stem, we thought about Sowerbyella too, like you, in fact, the pictures file name are "Sowerbyella...".
Your explanation is perfect.
See you.
About the second, big and with stem, we thought about Sowerbyella too, like you, in fact, the pictures file name are "Sowerbyella...".
Your explanation is perfect.
See you.
Raúl Tena Lahoz,
30-07-2013 18:11
Re : Aleuria??
"Aunque la mona se vista de seda, mona se queda" ;-)
Asci without croziers for Aleuria aurantia.
Un abrazo para los dos,
Raúl
Asci without croziers for Aleuria aurantia.
Un abrazo para los dos,
Raúl
Miguel Ángel Ribes,
31-07-2013 09:22
Re : Aleuria??
Eso dicen, menudo camuflaje, con dos aspectos bien distintos entre sí, y ambos muy alejados de las imágenes clásicas de A. aurantia. Este sábado vamos al mismo sitio, a la Tejera Negra, a ver si aparece de nuevo.
No croziers seen in both collections.
Un abrazo.
No croziers seen in both collections.
Un abrazo.