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Scutellinia cejpii
Malcolm Greaves, 05-12-2016 14:44
Malcolm  GreavesI am trying to find out why one of the British fungal databases (FRDBI) has changed Scutellina cejpii to Micoscypha cejpii. It quotes Ceská Mykol. 39(4): 207 (1985) whereas S cejpii has Ceská Mykol. 25(2): 83 (1971 ). Does anyone have a copy of this publication in PDF?
Thanks
Mal
Zuzana Sochorová (Egertová), 05-12-2016 14:50
Zuzana Sochorová (Egertová)
Re : Scutellinia cejpii
Hello Malcolm,
 all issues of Czech Mycology can be downloaded here:
http://www.czechmycology.org/czech-mycology-content.php#v39
In the article from 1985, Microscypha cejpii is presented as a new combination for Hyaloscypha cejpii.
Best regards, Zuzana
Malcolm Greaves, 05-12-2016 16:32
Malcolm  Greaves
Re : Scutellinia cejpii
Thanks Zuzana. That gives me the paper work but no real reason why what looks to me to be an "obvious" Scutellinia is transfered to Microscypha. More research needed.
Thanks again.
Mal
Nicolas VAN VOOREN, 05-12-2016 18:39
Nicolas VAN VOOREN
Re : Scutellinia cejpii
This is a mistake, probably coming from Mycobank which gives Hyaloscypha cejpii Velen. as the basionym of Scut. cejpii...

I sent a message to the MB managers.
Malcolm Greaves, 05-12-2016 19:22
Malcolm  Greaves
Re : Scutellinia cejpii
Pleased to hear that Nicolas. I was struggling to understand the logic behind the change.
Mal
Malcolm Greaves, 19-02-2019 12:30
Malcolm  Greaves
Re : Scutellinia cejpii
Nicolas

Following on from this I see that IndexFungorum now has S cejpii as a synonym for S hirta. When did this change happen. Both the UK databases have this the other way round with S hirta as the synonym.

Thanks

Mal
Viktorie Halasu, 19-02-2019 15:06
Viktorie Halasu
Re : Scutellinia cejpii
Hello Mal,

see T. Schumacher (1988): The Scutellinia Battle; The Lost, Missing and Dead. Mycotaxon 33, relevant pages here: http://www.cybertruffle.org.uk/cyberliber/59575/0033/0165.htm
In short, S. hirta in original (C.F.Schumacher's and Fries's) sense is probably a Geopora, deeply cupulate species with fasciculate hairs. Then there's S. hirta ss. Cooke and Le Gal, the latter selected a neotype and, based on her description, this taxon seems conspecific with S. cejpii. T.Schumacher considered S. hirta (ss. anyone) nomen ambiguum.


T.Schumacher didn't in either work (1979, 1988, 1990) cite the neotype in K among studied specimens. Yao and Spooner (1996, Notes on British species of Scutellinia. Mycol. Res. 100) studied the Cooke's collection in K (S. hirta neotype) and confirmed it's conspecificity with S. hirta ss. Le Gal. They also pointed out that C.F.Schumacher wrote orange-red hymenium for this species ("miniata [,] extus fusco hirta") and that therefore it cannot be a Geopora.


But interesting is, that although Fries (1822) wrote this species has color like Peziza (Caloscypha) fulgens and that C.F.Schumacher illustrated immature specimen (which Fries compares with Peziza (Trichophaea) hybrida, quite correctly for an immature Scutellinia), he also states that C.F.Schumacher's fungus is 3 lignes wide and high. If he used milimeters, it would look ok, but "3 lin." should be equal to 6,75 mm. If anyone has an explanation for this, I would very much like to learn it. Anyway, I wonder if it is at all possible to confirm conspecificity of S. hirta ss. Cooke with S. hirta ss. orig. + Fries's, when neither was illustrated and there is no orig. material available.


Viktorie


Schumacher: https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/252660#page/430/mode/1up
Fries: http://bibdigital.rjb.csic.es/ing/Libro.php?Libro=958

Malcolm Greaves, 20-02-2019 13:38
Malcolm  Greaves
Re : Scutellinia cejpii
Thanks for that Viktorie. interesting reading.

I might not record all future finds as S hirta then afterall and might stick to S cejpii

Mal